Posted by Raydoggy at 07/23/13 17:10:31Hmm, an interesting problem, I sympathize with you, because that happened to me at first, but what I realized is that just eating vegan food doesn't make you healthy, unless you are eating the right type of vegan food.
I find that by nibbling on a small palm full of mixed nuts three times a day, takes away my cravings for carbs. And yes, you do need some extra protein, but not as much as you would expect. Protein is for building muscle, not for energy. Tofu has plenty and so does lentils and tempeh. Don't believe the meat and dairy industries propaganda about needing their products, until you have studied unbiased reports, I would highly recommend that you read The China Study, it will help put into prospective the idea of a balanced diet. Also, start here and do some more Google searches using the following search handles Vegan Muscle Protein Diet.
Remember that this site is for body builders, if you are nine to five desk bound you won't need anywhere near as much protein.
Remember that any group or association who tolerates torture and cruelty to animals for profit, cannot have a very highly developed conscience.
I must admit, I don't eat enough leafy greens, but when I do, I really feel on top of the world on my vegan diet, and I'm trying to eat more, especially celery, spinach and lettuce. Also eat peas, kale and beans. So give that a try.
Instead of using bread for a sandwich, use a lettuce leaf to wrap your ingredients up in. Much tastier and healthier. If you do have some carb food, try and make it wholegrain, it releases energy slower and so you don't get the rush for more carbs like you will with refined grains etc, because they boost you up quickly and then drop you down.
Try freezing the tofu, then thaw it, squeeze the moisture out and then marinate, this way the flavor will go right through it, because there will be air pockets where the ice used to be. Like an Aero chocolate Bar ( from my non-vegan days). Someone please make a vegan Aero Bar, pretty please, I promise I'll only have one a month.
I hope some other people can shed some light on your dilemma and that you try some alternatives before going back to meat. Also, try inverting your pasta ration, instead of 70-80 pasta, and 20-30 sauce, try it the other way around, much more flavor. Also, don't try to quickly to give up too much too soon, just have slightly smaller servings each day, wean yourself off the carbs and sugars, because they are very addictive. One way I find useful is to not have any carbs in the house and only have them outside as the occasional treat.
I hope this helps.
Posted by vtraveller at 07/23/13 18:04:34Raydoggy- he said he;s a vegetarian NOT a vegan.
WWu777- if you're serious about asking this question, do this:
1) Weigh yourself
2) Stop consuming dairy (liquid meat) and dairy based products
3) Stop consuming eggs (pure cholesterol) and all products like cakes & cookies that contain eggs
4) Stop eating a lot of fried foods and avoid oil as much as possible
5) Find a friend you can start an exercise routine with and make a habit of doing it 3-5 times a week
6) Do this for 90 days.
7) Weigh yourself again. Report back.
Feel free to ask here for guidance.
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Posted by kenvegan at 07/23/13 20:20:56Hello:
I have been vegan for over 21 years, and am now 42. I never noticed anything that you said. I do know that when I look around at most other 42 year old men, they seem to have much more body fat than I do. I have always had plenty of energy, and women find me as attractive as they ever have.
Based on what you mentioned you switched to eating that is vegetarian, I can see that you probably had many vitamin/mineral deficiencies in your diet. Have you had blood work done to see if you have any deficiencies? Were you getting complete proteins from quinoa or soy? Have you ever tried spirulina, chlorella and hemp in a smoothy? These have plenty of high quality protein.
Nutritional facts from the USDA National Nutritional Database:
(Amount of calories from protein.)
Watercress 84%, Mushrooms 56%, Spinach 50%, Sprouts 35+
Kidney Beans 58%, Navy Beans 37%, Soybeans 35%
Wheat Germ 26%, Rye 18%, Oatmeal 17%, Peanuts 18%
Pumpkin Seeds 18%, Sunflower Seeds 16%, Cantaloupes 10%, Peaches 9%, Oranges 8%
According to several studies I found, vegan men have HIGHER testosterone levels than even omnivores:
It seems like perhaps you went on a junk food/empty calories carb diet after you stopped eating meat, and this may have caused some of your issues.
Have you tried following a caloric rich vegan diet for a period of time before?
Posted by happycowgirl at 07/23/13 22:37:20WWu777,
First, we have to clear up some misconceptions you have. I'm afraid you're buying into both the testosterone and the protein myths. First, it's not true that when you eat meat, you have more testosterone. In fact, vegan men have higher levels of testosterone than vegetarians and meat eaters:
The testosterone issue is a complicated one that could be a book in itself. Long story short, your diet, sleep schedule, workouts all effect testosterone production. When it comes to diet, the key is balance, and higher testosterone comes along with a balanced diet rich in all macro-nutrients.
Next, don't fall for the protein myth: http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vsk/vegetarian-starter-kit-protein
This is the protein you should eat:
As to your question, yes, you should stop being a vegetarian. And become a vegan. Seriously, it is the dairy you're consuming that is causing your problems.
I can speak from personal experience. I was a vegetarian for 22 years, then I went vegan. It was like a switch flipped. When I was a vegetarian I thought I was as healthy as I could be. I ran, biked, I did triathlons. But I have never in my life had such a feeling of extreme health and fitness as when I went vegan. I really think you have to experience it first hand to believe it. I used to have asthma, since becoming vegan my asthma is gone. My energy increased and my overall well-being, I could go on and on.... listen, you just have to go vegan. Try it to believe it.
Dairy is a very strong addiction. Giving it up will not be easy. You may suffer withdrawal symptoms (I did). But after 2 weeks you'll feel better and after 3 weeks any cravings should be gone.
You need to be on a healthy vegan diet (not a junk food vegan). If you are an athlete, check this out: Thrive: Vegan Nutrition Guide to Optimal Performance in Sports and Life
No matter what, go to the doctor and get a blood test. Then once you know your starting point, ditch the dairy. Go vegan. You can do it!
(Go back 6 months after being vegan to get another blood test and be amazed at the good results -I was!)
Posted by alaina616 at 07/25/13 15:14:57I am vegan and actually have more muscle tone than as a vegetarian. i think like others have said it is protein, but that doesn't mean you go back to eating meat. And it doesn't seem like you really want to either.
You said you eat lots of carbs, but the ones you listed are not really good carbs, popcorn, cake? Look instead into eating quinoa, millet, different beans, barley, oats and other whole grains. Add tofu, wheat gluten and tempheh to your diet. I live on tofu, quinoa, lots of veggies and moderate amounts of nuts. you just need to reevaluate your diet.
Posted by fogtime at 08/05/13 00:01:02I too have been gaining muscle after switching from a vegetarian diet to a mostly vegan diet. I used to exercise a lot and never gained any muscle. I was drinking cow's milk and eating a lot of milk chocolate back then. Now that I'm mostly vegan, I've been drinking almond milk, eating oatmeal with almonds, and eating sunbutter. I still exercise and have been gaining quite a bit of muscle.
Posted by WWu777 at 09/19/14 01:10:37Thanks for all your responses everyone. But after doing some research on health sites, the consensus of most health experts seems to be that everyone has different nutritional needs and that diet and nutrition is not a "one size fits all" system. They also say that there are no studies proving that health conscious vegans are healthier than health conscious omnivores (meat eaters that eat only organic meat).
For example, Dr. Mercola, one of the most knowledgeable and respected health experts says in this article that only one third of people can do well on a vegetarian diet, and that everyone has different nutritional needs. See here:
What do you think? Is that true?
Also, he quotes Angelina Jolie as saying that she almost died from being a vegan.
What do you all make of that?
Posted by happycowgirl at 09/20/14 21:17:02hi Ahimsa, Not rejected by me & I can't imagine by anyone else here. I know sometimes ill type in the wrong security code and my comments will not post. Could that be what happen? In any event, I would love to read ur response. Your replies are always insightful. Could you please take the time to try again?
Posted by ahimsa32fa at 09/21/14 05:46:54happycowgirl-
Basically, I said that I would not consider Dr. Mercola "one of the most knowledgeable and respected health experts" despite what it may say on his website.
Quoting Mercola is kind of like when the tobacco industry quoted "experts" in the field of medicine who denied that smoking is bad for one's health.