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I saw this on Yahoo! so I figured I'd post it.

AP Exclusive: Video shows workers abusing pigs
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080916/ap_on_re_us/abused_pigs

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/17/08 22:58:14

    This next post appeals to nuts such as myself.

    We "e-veg*n-gelical plant eaters" cause fewer pigs to be born / abused / murdered.

    "The problem of un-born pigs" - the arguments / debate which led to Henry S. Salt writing his piggy poem - THE CRY OF THE MIGHT-HAVE-BEEN

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    http://www.ivu.org/history/thesis/interwar.html

    + In the literary world the vegetarians engaged in running battles with G.K. Chesterton – for they were, not surprisingly, among his pet aversions – and with Dean Inge, a much quoted pundit of the period. Inge had argued in his Outspoken Essays of 1922 that: 'Sir Leslie Stephen's remark that no one is so much interested in the demand for pork as the pig, is surely quite valid,' and this aroused a storm of objection from the vegetarians that lasted well into the 1930s. (11) +

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    11. Henry S. Salt argued in reply that non-existence could not properly be compared with existence. He also wrote a poem on the subject:

    THE CRY OF THE MIGHT-HAVE-BEEN

    We are the Pigs Unborn, the Pigs Forsaken;
    O'erlooked by heedless folk who eat no bacon.
    In blank pre-natal Nothingness we pine,
    Robbed of that proud prerogative of swine,
    The born pigs birthright - to be penned in muck,
    In garbage grub, be fatted, and be stuck.
    Mere ghosts of porkers, pork we'll never be:
    This, Vegetarian, this we owe to thee!
    O deaf to crys of Pigs that Might Have Been,
    Art thou not cruel? ask the learned Dean.

    - Vegetarian Magazine June 1926, p118

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    Q & A

    1. Who was Sir Leslie Stephen? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Stephen - his daughters are now more famous than he currently is - members of "the Bloomsbury Group" Virginia Woolf and Vanessa Bell.

    2. Who was Henry S. Salt? - http://www.henrysalt.co.uk/index_old.html

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    Totally "off-topic" the poet Roy Campbell who detested the "Bloomsberries" was an early source of the myth that Hitler was a veggie.

    + When Campbell read Hitler's Mein Kampf, he declared: "Good gracious, this man won't do - he's a teetotalitarian vegetarian!" +

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Campbell_(poet)

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/21/08 19:23:09

    The video is here - it is horrendous to watch - http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/iowa_pigfarm_abuse2

    The recent Press coverage on it is generally very "pro-Peta" - which is remarkable - example - http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=216515

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    Oh, PETA.

    Once again, the animal rights group has grabbed headlines. Only this time -- are you ready? -- its actions earned the approval of animal producers rather than inciting a riot of angered responses from the people who put meat on our plates.

    You have to give the non-profit organization some respect after its announcement last week. As far as I'm concerned, its work comes with a well-deserved pat on the back.

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/21/08 19:26:17

    Huffington Post - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/help-stop-cruelty-to-anim_b_127967.html

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    We can all bring about positive changes by not buying products that harm animals, by eating a more plant based diet. We can reject cruelty simply by eating veggie dogs rather than hot dogs, or substituting tempeh, or Fakin' Bacon, for bacon. If you live in California, you can vote in favor of Proposition 2, the statewide initiative that would make it illegal for farmers to cram pregnant pigs in small gestation crates and calves into veal crates, and to force six or seven hens to live in tiny cages where they can't do anything that is natural to them.

    No matter where you are in the world, you can do something to make a difference for animals.



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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 12/12/08 00:44:34

    "Charlotte's Web" - inspiring veggies since 1952 - http://www.philly.com/philly/living/CTW_health_20081217_A_Tangled_Vegetarian__lsquo_Web_rsquo_.html

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    Halfway through "Charlotte's Web" your child may make the unwelcome connection between Wilbur the Pig and the pork chops you serve for dinner. Meat is suddenly off limits.

    "A number of kids become vegetarians after reading "Charlotte's Web," says Reed Mangels, Ph.D., registered dietitian and nutrition advisor for the Vegetarian Resource Group, Baltimore, Md.
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