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Margaret Mead quote - "It is easier to change a man's religion than to change his diet."

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Joe Strummer of "The Clash" / thinking back to the Glastonbury Fayre Festival of 1971 -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2004/jun/18/popandrock.glastonbury2004

+ He returns to the footage of Glastonbury Fair on the screen. Now, the stage has been given over to a vegetarian activist, whose notion of cruelty to animals clearly does not preclude waving a terrified-looking chicken around in front of thousands of cheering hippies. Temple laughs. "Joe Strummer was at the first one as well," he says, "and he became a vegetarian as a result of this. He was converted by this guy with the chicken. You can laugh at it now, but somewhere in that crowd, Joe Strummer is having his life changed forever by Glastonbury." +

Joe Strummer / Glastonbury / Arthur Brown

Joe Strummer - remembering his "Arthur Brown / Chicken" moment - www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJTLIOdfysA

Arthur Brown - Glastonbury - 1971 -http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=18399

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Mick Jones of "The Clash" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/fashion/23nite.html?_r=2&ref=fashion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

+ Mr. Jones explained that he doesn't consume meat or dairy. "I read about how animals experience fear on the way to slaughter," he said. "I didn't want to eat that. I figured it would make me a stronger person." +

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Terry Chimes of "The Clash" - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6060180.stm

+ Terry Chimes, drummer with the Clash, literally turned his back on rock and roll - and became a chiropractor in Essex. His stage appearances are now limited to motivational seminars for doctors.


A painting by the Clash's Paul Simonon is in Chimes' kitchen
So how did he get from playing in a band to the treatment table?

"I felt it was time to completely change - and over the time I'd been a musician, I'd already become a non-drinking, non-smoking, non-drug-taking vegetarian who does yoga."

And that's not mentioning the triathlons.

"People say how can you prefer treating patients to being on stage in front of 100,000 people? But if you can get someone healthy, there's a satisfaction in that which is much more profound."

Instead of being an ex-rocker "always looking at their scrapbooks", the 51-year-old, who also played with Black Sabbath, is writing a book about well-being and health. +




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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/19/08 07:42:20

    Correction - Joe Strummer - remembering his "Arthur Brown / Chicken" moment - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJTLIOdfysA

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    Note to Eric -

    The "edit" option no longer appears when you make a first post to a thread.

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    Posted by webmaster at 09/19/08 13:42:56

    Hi John,

    Actually it never did. So many mods needed, so little time... maybe soon.
    Thanks for the post. Would be great to add these kinds to the famous vegetarian section. Are these guys still veg? If so they should be included in the list of famous vegetarians.

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/19/08 20:51:17

    Joe Strummer - has died.

    "Strummer died on 22 December 2002 in his home at Broomfield in Somerset, the victim of an undiagnosed congenital heart defect."

    Mick Jones & Terry Chimes - both sensible guys - go ahead & add them to the Famous page.


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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/19/08 21:01:51

    Another "chicken incident" - which perhaps helped to turn a few more punk rockers veggie - it certainly received a lot of press coverage.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/pops-wildest-stars-443480.html

    John Cale - The former Velvet Underground viola player, and regular guest at Andy Warhol's famously hedonistic Factory, went too far for the herbivores in his band when he beheaded a chicken on stage in Croydon during his 1977 solo tour. Part-way through a performance of "Heartbreak Hotel", the dead bird was brought on to the stage and decapitated by Cale, who had bought a meat cleaver in Germany for the purpose. Afterwards, he generously threw the chicken's remains to the audience. Unfortunately, his drummer, Joe Stefko, and bassist, Mike Visceglia, were vegetarians; they walked offstage and off the tour. Ritchie Fliegler (guitar) and Bruce Brody (keyboards) weren't fussed, and carried on playing.

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    Joe Stefko - veggie - http://www.theturtles.com/documents/64.html

    Mike Visceglia - veggie - http://www.mikevisceglia.com/

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/20/08 03:08:39

    Matt Norwood talks to Dr Ruth Heidrich, vegan Ironman triathlete and runner.

    http://www.lanternbooks.com/toc.html?cat=3&id=1590560744&tocid=230

    Matt Norwood: What led you to decide to become a vegan?

    Dr Ruth Heidrich: I was hit upside the head by the proverbial two by four. Shortly after being diagnosed with breast cancer, I was shown convincing evidence by Dr John McDougall that my cancer was caused by eating animal products; this, despite my being a marathoner at the time. It didn't take long for me to embrace that which would save my life, and even more to my surprise held many more advantages. I immediately found my running endurance and speed increased, especially as I added cycling, swimming and weights to my daily routine. I also found that my chronic constipation disappeared as well as my osteoarthritis, so I was able to stop taking prescription drugs.

    The video - http://www.archive.org/details/OrganicAthlete_2005_09_24i_Ruth_Heidrich

    Homepage - Dr Ruth Heidrich - http://www.ruthheidrich.com/index.html

    http://www.ruthheidrich.com/Box9.html
    A Brief Biography
    Ruth Heidrich, Ph.D.

    Dr. Heidrich is a six-time Ironman Triathlon finisher, holder of more than 900 gold medals from every distance from 100 meter dashes to 5K road races to ultra marathons and triathlons. She has completed more than 60 marathons all over the world, including Boston, New York, Moscow, and has held 3 world fitness records in her age group at the famed Cooper Clinic in Dallas, Texas. She also was named one of the "Top Ten Fittest Women in North America" in 1999.

    She is the author of Senior Fitness, A Race For Life, The CHEF Cook/Rawbook, several videos and co-host of a weekly talk show, Nutrition & You on KWAI, Honolulu, Hawaii.

    She is a graduate of UCLA and holds a Master's degree in Psychology, and a doctorate in Health Education. She has also taught in this field at the University of Hawaii.

    As of the year 2007, she has been vegan for 25 years and a daily runner for 39 years.




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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/21/08 19:42:05

    The woman who would be prime minister

    Tzipi Livni, 'born-again moderate' and new Kadima leader, aims to restore integrity to Israeli politics

    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/09/16/f-rfa-evans.html

    Excerpt -

    + Tall, striking and intense, Livni is sometimes labelled cold or aloof, an ice queen. But she's also an animal-loving vegetarian, a former spy and a mother of two. She loves The Age of Aquarius and recently took up drumming. She also happens to be the daughter of heroes of the Zionist movement. +

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 09/22/08 04:14:38

    Captain Paul Watson of http://www.seashepherd.org/crew-watson.html

    On why he is a veg*n - http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/36676


    Renato Pichler: There has been a report that the food onboard your ship is vegan. Are all crew members vegan or do they 'just' adapt for the occasion?

    Captain Paul Watson: Not all crewmembers are vegan or even vegetarian but they are vegan when they are with the ship. In 2002 we were the first vegan expedition ever to travel to Antarctica. Many crew members exposed to our vegan menu for months on end have converted to veganism and many have experienced the health benefits of veganism.
    We were amused this year when a Japanese spokesperson for the whaling industry dismissed us as "dangerous vegans" and "circus performers." These are the most unusual names that we have ever been called and we have been called many things.
    The first Sea Shepherd ship named the Sea Shepherd was a vegetarian vessel and that was way back in 1978.


    Renato Pichler: What has been your personal reason for not eating meat/fish?

    Captain Paul Watson: My first concern was for fish. I am an ocean conservationist and it has always struck me as strange that we hunt down and slaughter wild animals at sea in such vast numbers. People would not tolerate the mass slaughter of wildlife on land like they do with sea animals. Fish are essentially bush meat. Many people think it is deplorable that West Africans kill and eat gorillas, chimpanzees, lions and giraffe from the African bush yet think it is perfectly alright to hunt down sharks, swordfish, tuna and other species in the sea.
    Many fish are long lived animals. Halibut live to 150 years of age. Orange Roughy do not even become sexually mature until they are 45. Lobsters can live to be 200 years. Yet we give little thought to cutting down a very young fish or a fish in the prime of life for a tuna fish sandwich or a lobster salad.
    More than 50% of fish taken from the sea are fed to animals. We have turned cows, sheep, chickens and pigs into major aquatic carnivores. This is not only perversely unnatural it is also contributing to the massive diminishment of life in the seas. Thus I don't eat meat in order to save fish.
    My wife has been a vegan for twenty year and I do the cooking so I've learned to be a good vegan cook. In my opinion vegan meals are more diverse, more imaginative and more delicious than eating meat and fish.

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    Posted by micheelgeorge at 09/23/08 10:08:15

    My reasons for wanting to go vegetarian are mostly health and environmental. I first tried to go veg in November, and have since then gone back and forth in spurts of a couple of days to trade in my carnivorous diet for something more environmentally friendly.
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    For Sale By Owner

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 03/29/09 08:25:09

    Listen to the interview here - http://www.modavox.com/voiceamerica/vepisode.aspx?aid=37326 - he makes some great points!

    Captain Paul Watson of http://www.seashepherd.org/crew-watson.html

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