Posted by SynthVegan at 05/30/08 21:33:48I just have a question for you or anyone here for that matter. How effective do you think these protests are? When I was younger, I was totally into doing this stuff, but as I've gotten older I feel that this isn't a very effective way to go about this. People are just going to laugh at you or give you crap – and they aren't even going to take you seriously. The people eating there are still going to eat there. The only people that are going to be appreciating the protests are the Vegetarians or Vegans that are driving by. I think you're more effective when you can talk to people and not “shoving it in their faces” because by doing so, people are going to be defensive and will not bother listening to your message. That's my opinion, but I would love to hear someone else's. Thanks!
Posted by treehugger at 06/10/08 07:14:04"The people eating there are still going to eat there."
I disagree with that. Protests and campaigns are ALWAYS successful - even if they just reach ONE person it's still one person more.
It's easy to say "What's the point blah blah blah" but if you believe in something strongly enough then it is always worth doing.
We are all citizens of this earth and we all have a voice. We all have the right to be heard.
Incidentally, not sure if anyone's aware of this, but KFC Canada have pledged better animal welfare for their chickens. This decision came about because of protesters outside KFC stores in Canada.
If Canada can do it then so can the rest of the world.
Viva la revolucion!!
Posted by emama at 06/18/08 16:10:13I totally agree with you treehugger =)i have talked to many people an educated them,on this very issue and alot of them have changed there aeting habit's.its about expression of belief they will always know the truth even if they dont stop eating meat, and even as meat eaters they will spred the word to someone one day during one of those " you know what i herd" conversations, i have a six year old and she at times can be quite skeptical on things i do i tell her i know im not saving the world but im helping and that is a passion that feels good, So i say keep up the fight, if we were to stop everyone would wonder where we all went,so even when you feel no-cares or pay's attention there are! =)
Posted by SynthVegan at 07/11/08 13:15:51I never said to stop fighting, I just think other methods are more effective. I educate people I meet and my friends regarding all of this stuff, if you have a more tactful way of delivering information I think people will tend to be less defensive and will consider your messages.
I kind of feel as if Treehuggers response was an attack and that's not the way to go about things when I merely asked a question as to the efficacy of these protests and what the general opinion is.
Posted by kindlizard at 08/09/08 03:46:43I always think about the one person it may turn on.
Spun after a Dead show I was so hungry and saw food. I had no idea what it was. It was kebobs or something and someone snickered it was dog or cat. I knew it wasn't but I realized I had to consider what was up (I was young and it took a while after that, but it was a strong message that has helped impact a lot of other folks other than me. If you don't try you'll never know.
Btw, 60% of the chickens in America are cooked by KFC. Not only is that sad for chickens and Animal rights in general, but what does that say about families eating together, and learning healthy habits together? You know, the general decline shows itself in layers.
Posted by SynthVegan at 08/09/08 10:26:45Treehugger: The way it was worded came across that way. It's hard to determine tone over the Internet. ;)
Yes I agree with you Kindlizard, it can turn one person on. I'm always afraid of turning many people off to it just because people become defensive. And I will openly say, I never give protesters [of various causes] the time of day. Mainly because they're too extreme and won't listen to my views as well -- very one-sided. But yeah, I'm glad we're all passionate about this issue. ;)
Posted by treehugger at 08/11/08 09:05:20I realise that synthebm - no harm done.
It sounds like you've had a bad experience with protesters synthebm, but not ALL of us are extreme or one sided.
That video is great. I have a lot of time for Moby - saw him live at Glastonbury a few years back.
Posted by JohnnySensible at 08/11/08 10:08:48[The Oregonian]
+PETA urges a vegetarian diet for fried chicken killer+
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is asking a state prison
superintendent to no longer allow "fried chicken" killer Tremayne
Durham to eat meat, saying he "should be prevented from contributing
to any more suffering and death - including the kind associated with
eating meat and dairy products."
PETA sent a letter this morning to Nancy Howton, the superintendent of
Coffee Creek Correctional Facility in Wilsonville, where Durham will
be processed over the next several weeks before being assigned to
Durham, who killed Gresham man Adam Calbreath over his frustration
with a deal to buy an ice-cream truck gone sour, has become known
through news stories around the globe because he received KFC fried
chicken, Popeyes chicken, lasagna, calazones and ice cream as part of
his plea deal for aggravated murder. He was sentenced in Multnomah
County earlier this week to life in prison with the possibility of
release after 30 years.
"...we ask that you deny Durham the opportunity to participate in
further violence by putting him on a vegetarian diet." The letter also
takes issue with KFC and the wide-scale raising of poultry. "Millions
of senseless killings such as the one committed by Durham are carried
out every day for nothing more than a fleeting taste for flesh," the
letter reads. "In slaughterhouses, chickens and turkeys routinely have
their throats cut..."