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Vegan / Vegetarian Discussion - All Things Veg*n Forum

Some postings about this story started here -
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www.happycow.net/forum/happycow/view_topic.php?id=44
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Now I think that it deserves to go 'mainstream'.
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Here is a really well written / well researched article - by Kara Jesella in today's New York Times.
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This is going to generate a lot of debate!
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Kudos to Sky, Elaine, Missy Suicide, Ingrid & especially to Rory - 'Skinny Bitch' is a gem of a book.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/fashion/27vegan.html?ref=health&pagewanted=all
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March 27, 2008
The Carrot Some Vegans Deplore
By KARA JESELLA
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Elaine Vigneault, 32, a vegan and former women's studies major who lives in New York, doesn't have a problem with a vegan strip club or a recent PETA protest in London in which a pregnant woman got into a cage in her underwear to draw attention to the treatment of pregnant pigs. "I think it's really important that when reviewing and analyzing images of women, we take into account their perspective of what they're trying to say," Ms. Vigneault said.
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Rory Freedman, an author of the "Skinny Bitch" books, which promote veganism in the guise of a diet, said women who are taking part in demonstrations and stripping off their clothes "are choosing to do so of their own free will." The issues they are exposing, she said, "are the torture of animals that don't have free will."
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Contributors to the popular feminist blog Feministing have criticized the emphasis of the "Skinny Bitch" books on weight loss, noting that some women with eating disorders use vegan diets to restrict their food intake. Ms. Freedman isn't buying that critique. "It's not politically correct to suggest women should be thin," she said. "But it is healthier."
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Missy Suicide, a founder of the Suicide Girls, a Web site whose hundreds of alt-girl models post erotic pictures of themselves, has been a vegetarian since she was 6. She views her group's participation in peta2's "Ink, Not Mink" anti-fur campaign as both pro-animal and pro-woman. "We're redefining beauty," she said. "These aren't the types of girls you'd see in most mainstream media as being beautiful."
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"Sexuality is what society will turn its head for more than anything else," said Ingrid Newkirk, the president of PETA, who added that the recent advertisements were just one of the group's strategies. "We try to reach everybody in different ways." She noted that the group has also shown naked men in ads.
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Plus, she said, using female sexuality to draw attention to veganism is just one of many issues being discussed in the outspoken vegan community. "It's not civil war," she said. "It's just a difference of opinion and people talk things out."
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Full article here - www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/fashion/27vegan.html?ref=health
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Re. the Bob Torres quote - Bob is one of the "ve-gone's" who enthusiastically backs Nathan Winograd - the 'adopted son' of CCF.
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Highly educated - severely blocked.
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    Posted by gr8vegan at 03/28/08 00:04:01

    Thanks for posting the article! I am so making a trip to Casa Diablo! I have them as my myspace friend, lol. I really wanted to go to Portland just to eat at the Pirates Tavern (what it was before).

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    Posted by Rafael at 03/28/08 02:27:38

    Pirates Tavern was "so bad that it was good" if you know what I mean - I will never forget the place - highly memorable.
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    Yes indeed - this is a fine article!
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    Great publicity - high quality content!
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    "Kara Jesella" is already in my bookmarks!
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    Remember "Elle Magazine" - the May 2007 "Green Issue".
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    The article entitled -
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    "The Carnivore's Dilemma"
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    "It's tempting to dismiss veganism as just another eating disorder, so Marisa Meltzer and Kara Jesella veg out and find the surprising benefits of eating conscientiously."
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    I saved a copy of the magazine.
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    There was even a mention of "feces farming" which must have made our friend Robert Ben Mitchell smile!
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    Discussed in more depth here by Karen Dawn - www.dawnwatch.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/archive/dw%31%30%30%30%30%30%30dawnwat/20070429015920/
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    Elle writers try veganism, etc. -- week ending 4/28/07
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    There have been so many breakthroughs of late in the public fight against factory farming, and in the shift of plant-based eating into the mainstream, it is becoming wonderfully hard to keep up!
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    Recently we saw Gourmet Magazine (not the Vegetarian Times!) discuss the need to cut back on meat consumption. Now we see, in the May edition of Elle Magazine, an article headed, "The Carnivore's Dilemma" and sub-headed, "It's tempting to dismiss veganism as just another eating disorder, so Marisa Meltzer and Kara Jesella veg out and find the surprising benefits of eating conscientiously." (p 234)
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    The authors write that they love food but had become increasingly concerned about whether the food they had always loved was good for them. They write,
    "We'd grown paranoid about allergies, antibiotic-laced milk, and FDA reports on salmonella outbreaks. Not to mention the cruelty of factory farming and the environmental impact of our eating habits. Kara alternated between patting herself on the back for eating more fish -- touted by nutritionists for its brain-building omega-3 fats -- and worrying about how much methylmercury she was ingesting. Marisa's fondness for steak frites waned every time she turned on the TV and saw yet another image of cows mooing mournfully in overcrowded feedlots.
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    "Though we both dismissed veganism as a hippie-dippy, self-righteous lifestyle, a slew of new books made us reconsider. In 'The Way We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter,' ethicists Peter Singer and Jim Mason say that veganism is the best answer to the ethical quandaries posed by eating animal products."
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    They mention Michael Pollan's "The Omnivores Dilemma" and Anna Lappe's and Bryant Terry's "Grub." And they comment, "We've known since 1971, when Lappe's mother Francis Moore Lappe, published 'Diet for a Small Planet' that if the Western world were to eat lower on the food chain, it would free up grain that is currently fed to livestock for human consumption, effectively ending world hunger. And by not eating animal products, there is no more worry about whether the chicken or cow on your plate has been forced to feed on the feces of other animals before being cruelly killed in a slaughterhouse."
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    They note veganism's high profile devotees: Natalie Portman, Russell Simmons, Moby and other celebrities. And they rave about the stylish vegan restaurant, Candle 79, on the New York's upper East side. They also have Alicia Silverstone as a private vegan coach of sorts.
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    The authors mention that most Americans get about twice as much protein as they need, and they quote NYU professor of nutrition Marion Nestle who explains, "You don't need as much calcium if you are vegan. One reason our calcium recommendations are so high is because a lot of animal foods cause calcium to be excreted."
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    They tell us, however, that vegans should take a B12 supplement.
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    The women find they enjoy the challenge of dining out and being "connoisseurs of a new cuisine." And they note, "The transition is made even easier by our roomier jeans."
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    We learn that the women eventually "succumbed to the omnivorous lifestyle," but they end their article with:
    "We're a lot more interested in where our food comes from and eat less meat and more veggies than before. And we still haven't gone back to eating hamburgers."
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    The full article is in the May 2007 issue of Elle, which you will find on newsstands now.
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    As somebody who went vegan gradually over a period of years, eating less and less animal products until one day I realized it had been months since I had eaten any, I can relate to the writers' choice to slow down their animal product intake rather than cutting out all animal products permanently all at once. I suspect many people on this list can relate similarly and are thrilled to see their tale, which enumerates the benefits of vegan diets, appear in Elle Magazine...................

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    Posted by JohnnySensible at 08/12/08 05:05:03

    Casa Diablo is still open - http://www.happycow.net/forum/happycow/view_topic.php?id=44

    Come on HappyCow - it is time to list it on the Portland page!

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