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Soy?
June 23, 2008 09:56PM
I've been so confused these days about soy?

Is soy good or bad for our health? I read a few magazine. one magazine said to consume soy bean and it's processed product to prevent cancer. but another magazine said eat too much soy milk could cause cancer.

Any idea?
Re: Soy?
June 27, 2008 01:05AM
Soy is great, when its prepared correctly. Its my understanding that where Soy was explored is in Asia, however they do not consume as much soy as we do and when they do it is generally in a fermented state.

Soy milk often is not fermented and is actually difficult to digest. When its been fermented however, in a miso form, or tempeh or natto for example, its ready to be taken in by the body.

So somebody can say 'soy' is good for your health and apply it to the milk, however really, its not that great in the milk form, but in its fermented state.

Personally, I have low amounts of the milk and the one I buy in Australia has been slightly fermented through organic processes. Without that fermentation, digesting soy is actually more difficult than digesting some meats and can be quite harmful.

Buddhists have a teaching about reaction. And what we have here is the lesson in reaction. When you move from one thing to another, without firstly taking a moment to consider the whole situation, you actually go and create the same problems you moved away from. Potentially just as much damage is being done in the world now from Soy crops to the earth, and damage to the uninformed person on the incorrect preparation of this bean for eating.

Just consider that before the people who invented the eating of this bean need to have it sit and pretty much ferment (e.g breakdown in a barrel) for a few years before they will eat it. Then consider that most soy milk is probably simmered for a few hours and its very thick proteins etc are released into a liquid which our body actually finds hard to digest and yes, it can block the system up.

Try this - go buy some beans (i have done this) and cook them yourself. See how long they take to actually break down. Its virtually impossible. Its the tough nature of the Soy that makes it so usable for many things.

Consider the linings of your stomach... buy some soy milk and heat it up in a pan. Let it sit for a little while. You will probably need a really tough scourer to remove it from the metal. What do you think is happening to your insides if this is how hard it is to get off other surfaces?
Re: Soy?
August 14, 2008 09:16AM
All soy is good for you. Without soy, vegetarians/vegans have few stuff to eat. Soy is very good for the body, it has protien.
Re: Soy?
November 10, 2008 02:43PM
I have been vegan for thirty-one years and seldom eat soy.
My diet is more consistant with whole grains, seeds, and limited nuts. (I save the nuts for my relationships)
Beans are a great source of protein but too many legumes are taxing to the body unless properly sprouted or fermented before use.
The living enzymes produce digestive quilties that not only aid in digestion but also create a friendly envionment for the intestines to properly digest. (Probiotics)
Re: Soy?
November 10, 2008 02:45PM
Exactly...Now try telling that to the cafeteria warden at the secondary school!
I can't digest legumes unless they have been pre-sprouted or fermented.
Soy milk is commercialized and the very life has been "pressed" out of it! Oragnic or not.
The fermenting process is very important...You know much about beans!
Re: Soy?
August 27, 2008 01:32AM
Ah really thanks for the explanations. And I'm very sorry the late in replying.
Lee Lee
Re: Soy?
September 08, 2008 04:44AM
Have read that soy can be genetically modified. Well at least in my country! And food manufacturers do not need to specify if soy is GM or not.
Re: Soy?
November 06, 2008 07:44AM
I think the exploitation industries have plenty enough money to throw around rumours about the 'risks' of soy.

Many will say there are phytoestrogens in soy, but plant hormones are found in ALL vegetation and have vary varied effects. I won't go into details because I don't know any, but I'd trust eating plant hormones more than the growth hormones found in obese animals who haven't even reached adulthood.

I do have some concerns about processing methods for vegan cheese etc, such as aluminium contamination. We should all be concerned about this, but it's not just soy that's affected, and even so, I expect processed vegan-friendly products are still healthier than even organic flesh and animal products, not to mention the animals' rights and the environment.

Do be careful not to be too afflicted by the protein scare thing. Westerners are obsessed with meat, dairy and their protein. The average American has 100 grams a day. The RDA for protein is 50 grams a day, and I think that is still excessive.

My advice is to not worry too much about soy or protein.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/06/2008 07:46AM by Rivers.
Re: Soy?
November 10, 2008 02:50PM
My experience tells me that one doesn't need to eat vegan cheese or cheese substitutes to enjoy a varied vegan healthy diet.
I find tons of great recipes online in which seeds and nuts are used as substitutes (and nutrtional yeast) which are more healthy and more tasteful than any cheese.
I am a vegan chef and have been employed in this field for near thirty years and not one of my customers has ever complained about no cheese in the meals I prepare.
Re: Soy?
August 14, 2012 08:09PM
I agree with Rivers comment above. Here's the deal... Weston Price Foundation is the nation's leading crusader against soy. Weston Price is a marketing arm of the American Dairy Association. The dairy industry sees soy milk as a threat. They are all too happy to fund a few studies that will call soy unhealthy and go to other lengths to mislead the public with the goal of decreasing consumption of soy products.

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Re: Soy?
November 10, 2008 02:38PM
Soy is known for it's ability to "Pull toxins" from the body and for the phytoestrogenic properties contained within the legume.
Also it is great for protein, but too it contains a high amount of fat. Therefore portions should be alloted appropriatly. (For those wanting to lose or maintain weigt)
Be careful when on the market for soy supplements. Isoflavonoids are not healthy in forms other than food sources. The reason being that the phytoestrogens contained that reduce lipid counts are synthetically altered when processed.
Re: Soy?
November 29, 2008 01:28PM
OK..... so, I am a new vegan and I was a total milk consumer before. I have to admit - I need cheese and milk. What do you suggest as a better alternative to soy?
Re: Soy?
January 21, 2009 03:21PM
I enjoy almond milk personally...

Peace and Love...

Krista : O)
Re: Soy?
January 25, 2009 12:48AM
Yes, go for the almond milk! If you can find it without carrageenan, even better!
Re: Soy?
August 23, 2009 09:48AM
For me the fact that you've got contradictory opinions on soy can only mean one thing; it's perfectly okay to consume - so long as you don't go overboard on the unfermented stuff. I actually like soy milk, but you've also got oat, and rice "milks" on the market too. Soy's not the be all and end all; gluten and other veggie "meats, not to mention vital & nutritious fresh fruit and veg are your staple. Plus as far as I'm aware soy doesn't have omega 3s; I personally take veggie flax oil capsules for this since I'm not too keen on the straight oil.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/23/2009 09:50AM by Eugene Nyunt..
Re: Soy?
September 21, 2009 10:08AM
Soy milk or rice milk ,

Their is soy cheese great on pizza and tosti and good in pasta but terible on bread.
Try tartex, hoemoez that sort of things.

And strange I preffed peanut buter spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Re: Soy?
January 07, 2009 11:00AM
Soy has become over processed and commercialized, Find a good thing and that's what happens. So I would say that the "less" processed soy is better for you (tempeh for example) than the soy milks, cream cheese and even tofu. The key is to eat PLANT FOODS EATEN WHOLE when ever possible!
Re: Soy?
September 21, 2009 10:06AM
About cancer that would be a lie, but if you eat too much soy you can be alergic for it.

Anyway a lot of soy these day is processed finding good soy isnt that hard go too a nature store or look up the specefic manifacture of the soy you do like too eat.

I always buy fair trade or alpro soya simple cause it's the most affordibable and most I can be sure of soy
Re: Soy?
October 26, 2009 03:32PM
Mmm I love soy milk, was so afraid the first I tried it because I always hated cows milk, ( I was reared on oj smiling smiley ) so I thought it would taste the same, but I loved it. Yum Yum, thanks Soy Bean. XxXx
P.s sorry didn't really contribute to the discussion!
Re: Soy?
January 10, 2010 12:04AM
Okay guys, here is the real skinny on Soy:

The compound that makes soy really good (other than being a great source of protein) is that it contains a a class of polyphenol known as isoflavone. While Isoflavone is actually present in other veggies (such as chick peas..mmmmmm) soy is the only veggie where it is available in significant enough amounts to have a nutritional impact on health. While the fermented soy products definitely on the top of the list of isoflavone quantity, it actually has its highest concentration in soy flour and dry soy nuts.

The significance of isoflavones (some researrchers even suggest specifically genistein) is that they have a striking resemblance to the female sex hormone estrogen (the reason these isoflavones are comonly reffered to as phytoestrogens). The other significance of genistein is that it has the ability to block the enzymes that are involved in the uncontrolled proliferation of tumor cells in the human body, and in high enough amounts can stop tumor growth outright (Most of the research into this is very specific to breast and prostate cancer). This very concept also applies to the prevention of cancer.

I should also mention that there is some conflicting research that is being looked into more carefully about some negative consequences that these isoflavones can have in post-menopausal women and women who have suffered though breast cancer already.

So, soy is generally very positive (don't be excessive) but not necessarily for everybody.

I hope this helps...

Ry-Guy

PS: If you want to look into the research for yourself look at the stuff done by Dr. Richard Beliveau; his research is not only well backed and respected, it is ground breaking.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2010 12:07AM by Ry-Guy.
Re: Soy?
February 18, 2010 08:10AM
soy is good for you! fermented or not. although fermented is better... soy beans are a natural legume and are a good source of protein.. (they're not harder to digest than meat products!) .. as long as they're organic, and nothing else is added, there is no problem. whether it be in its whole form, milk, miso, tempeh, whatever.. its all good, in moderation, just like all natural foods.
Re: Soy?
February 05, 2011 08:33PM
Too much of anything is bad for you. but soy is good for you. and i doubt it would give you cancer, unless it was some wacked out soy, so just make sure its organic soy.
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