Concerns about estrogen rumours
Posted by Alexandra Morrison at 02/07/2008
I'll be frank; while I've tried some of my own research, all I've found are completely varied responses on my concerns with soy. From nutritionists to doctors to magazines, everyone seems to have a different take.
I'm concerned with rumours(from both vegan and carnivorous sides) that soy and tofu have high levels of estrogen, which could pose potential health problems to whoever eats them.
Does anyone have any information on this? I'll admit I'm suspicious this is just something cooked up by meat/dairy industries, but I can't help but be concerned.
Any information would be greatly appreciated!
auungbong at 02/08/2008 08:26:05
I retreived this information from the website above. I along with Alexandrs am concerned. If anyone can help, that would be great in fixing this ehh mix up?
Tatiana at 02/08/2008 12:06:09
It is a difficult subject as research continues to come out that seems contradictory, but the current recommendations are that consuming moderate amounts of soy is safe. If you want more help, I'd suggest going to see you doctor or registered dietitian.
Tatiana at 03/06/2008 20:27:23
DC Vegan at 03/13/2008 15:56:50
Tatiana at 03/13/2008 16:25:42
The article in VegNews is great, you should really read it.
The question here is NOT about soy vs dairy at all. It is looking solely at soy and some of the concerns vs rumors that have come out the past few years.
There are also other alternatives like rice milk and nut milks.
Katylynn2000 at 05/08/2008 08:09:10
I have heard of the estrogen properties and I am wary if giving it to my 2 year old...
Tatiana at 05/08/2008 10:09:02
auungbong at 05/10/2008 07:42:54
Tatiana at 05/12/2008 10:34:07
I think bottom line, to answer your question, is not necessarily. The cows may be just as mistreated, their milk is just not heated up before being processed and sent to store shelves.
KellyVeganGirl at 06/18/2008 19:56:44
Katylynn2000 at 07/17/2008 10:51:07
JohnnySensible at 07/20/2008 16:55:11
Focus on "whole foods".
Isolated soya proteins are "yummily addictive" & are perhaps good to eat when you are in the process of kicking an addiction to flesh products / dairy (liquid cruelty).
Isolated soya proteins are the "Methadone" of vegetarians.
Just the name tells you that they are far removed from nature & are going to seriously mess up your health if eaten too often.
Linda McCartney helped animals greatly - http://www.scouseveg.co.uk/2007/05/09/linda-mccartney-products-to-be-relaunced/
So did Greg Sams - http://www.chaos-works.com/vegeburger8.html
I remember selling "Vegeburgers" by the pallet load in the UK - we "needed" them in the mid 80's after Morrissey so expertly woke people up to the fact that "Meat is Murder" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzNSAU2qM64
Now is the time to eat like "poor people" do & you won't go far wrong - cooked carb's & a selection of raw & steamed / baked veggies - plus good quality fruit.
Ducati at 08/04/2008 08:47:24
treehugger at 08/05/2008 02:17:39
Nothing but a load of prpoganda probably started by the big meat industries and the governments who make a LOT of money from them.
Katylynn2000 at 08/05/2008 08:53:40
And in fact, 2 glasses of soy milk/day, over the course of one month, contain enough of the chemical to change the timing of a woman's menstrual cycle.
I am really curious about this because I have been trying to get pregnant for a while now and my cycles are getting weird long - even this month is the longest ever. I see a Dr and have been tested for infertility but the more I am digging into the information... it has def peaked my interest in regards to estrogen.
Tatiana at 08/05/2008 10:20:07
Ducati at 08/07/2008 09:08:41
Were you eating meat and dairy before switching to soy? How do you know that you are not returning to a normal cycle after the abnormal cycle from all the hormones in meat and dairy? Dr. Colin mentions menstrual cycles in his book "The China Study".
And have you considered adopting? There are tens of millions of children who need loving parents already.
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/11/2008 07:41:07
I realize taste is a personal thing and I will not dis anyone who chooses to use soy products.
Here is an idea of something to try if you want to have something besides 100% fruit and or vege juice and good old water to drink.
Try almond milk. It is really tasty, full of nutrients, and will substitute just fine for milk. You can also make walnut milk and I think it is tasty as well, but I prefer almond milk.
Just a thought.
treehugger at 08/11/2008 08:52:32
Almond is very nice but doesn't go too well in a cup of tea.
Tatiana at 08/11/2008 09:10:30
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/11/2008 19:31:11
I must confess I have never tried almond milk in tea. I was however an actor in the play "Arsenic and Old Lace" and you have returned to me many fond memories.
Your are a gem.
HM at 08/11/2008 21:22:49
Ok, so here's a shot...
I went to a seminar a few months back out of curiosity. The woman was giving a lecture on nutrition. She was the developer of a class called "master vegetarian" and I was curious of her definitions.
Her definition of vegetarian was similar to the one I had at 18 when I first became vegetarian and never heard of vegan. That if it didn't come from a plant it wasn't vegetarian (still makes sense) and I didn't get people who were eating cheese and whatnot while calling themselves vegetarian(still don't quite I guess).
ANYways, she gave a fabulous seminar. I don't recall from anything she said that soy was necessarily bad, but that it shouldn't be overdone, as a vegan diet NEEDS variety.
However she did express the need to avoid too much processed soy, such as tofu and soy milk and whatnot. Processed anything beyond minimal is never good.
She did recommend almond milk for kids to soy milk. Also hemp milk. Agreed, there are many non animal milks out there.
Anyway, I'll look back into my emails and look for the invitation if I still have it, and see if I can dig up her name. Can't promise anything, but will try.
Tatiana at 08/12/2008 11:12:25
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/12/2008 17:26:18
I was the mean older brother who would put hot needles under his little brothers fingernails. ( so who says I have no compassion, or a sense of humor? )
I was a thespian throughout high school and collage. It was a lot of fun.
louis at 08/13/2008 06:32:43
The researchers of the 2008 study say it's unclear whether the negative associations between tofu consumption and worse memory are
atributable to phytoestrogens or potential toxins.
JohnnySensible at 08/13/2008 09:44:20
I just read both pages.
Thank you for posting them.
emilyplay at 08/13/2008 16:16:31
This is excellent to read.