Dog rights; boycott Home Depot??
Posted by kindlizard at 05/12/2007
Recently I have been fuming about an issue and thinking of a possible solution. My solution is to try to concoct a grassroots boycott of Home Depot. I have no idea how to manifest this, other than by throwing it out here to see if there'd be any momentum for the idea.
The problem is Home Depot is owned by Arthur Blank, who also owns the Atlanta Falcons (NFL football). The face of his franchise is Michael Vick, whose house in VA was just raided by cops for a drug bust but they found a huge dog-fighting training center there. This is one of the ugliest things any human being can do, of course. The NFL, even with its new supposed crackdown on off-field incidents is not scrutinizing Vick and seem to be content to allow him to skate with this behavior. The pressure therefore as a consumer could be to boycott Blank's Home Depots. Even though often these types of activities are less than fruitful, often raising more bark than bite, awareness is never a bad thing. Anyhow, if nothing else, this bothers me and I figured I'd throw it out there.
dconcidine at 05/16/2007 15:38:16
Thanks for the information!
Vegan Mom at 11/07/2007 17:22:54
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/06/2008 09:09:26
It seems you may end up punishing the many for the sins of the few.
If you want Vick, ( believe me I don't want him, I don't even like him ) then go after Vick. Don't weaken your credibility by shooting at and or hitting the wrong target.
Just a thought.
Tatiana at 08/06/2008 10:46:45
kindlizard at 08/06/2008 15:48:06
so do biz w all bad companies for the part time workers and such who can't find PT work elsewhere. great idea. Blank is a bozo, he is the one that makes out, not the guy making minimum wage getting piss tested, fingerprinted and so forth.
At the point this was written, Blank was supportive of Vick, and no legal action was taken against him. So yes, raising awareness at that moment was crucial. If there were folks outside some stores the profile would have been raised, and bad PR is usually enough to make people reconsider their own indifference.
Question my credibility? up yours. What have you ever done or suggested for the benefit of animals? Nothing? You still eat them so how can I expect you to relate to the urgency of animal rights? And precisely you go after the man who writes his checks, since at that point he was still supporting him.
Tatiana at 08/06/2008 15:53:30
HM at 08/06/2008 16:18:34
dig a little on peta before going that rout.
I'm not a supporter of them.
Sure they have a good message, but they have very contradictory messages as well (as in anti feminism, using practically naked bodies in many of their campaigns, taking away from the true issue and exploitation women have fought for many many years).
Really.... words travel.
and you don't need dirty money to make them travel. Nor do you need to hide anything about yourself (ie puting animals down to save them from being put down by the pound)
HM at 08/06/2008 16:23:15
As far as boycotting a place with people working at it... they get paid to work regardless of whether or not you go.
It's like going to Walmart. I don't go to Walmart, and I don't really know anyone who does. They keep building stores though. It's a corporation that is one of the top evil corporations of the world. I wouldn't lend myself as a patron of that place if my best friend worked there (and there's no way she would)
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/06/2008 16:58:04
The man in charge now I believe is named Frank Blake. I don't know if he even likes football let alone Michael Vick.
I do not believe that I questioned your credibility kindlizard. I do believe that if your fire a shot and hit the wrong target you will bring your own credibility into question.
I think it is a wee odd that you posted this better than a year ago and never really got any real response until I joined the HappyCow just this very day. And then you dis me for my very real and thought out opinion.
You asked I answered and you verbally beat me up for my honest opinion. I think perhaps your are not as "kind"lizard and your name implies.
If your opinion is the only one that counts why ask for others? Just assume that your opinion is fact and go from there.
You have not an idea of what I have done for the help, health and benefit of animals.
Again you assume your opinion into fact.
As to my meat eating status again you make an assumption from a sarcastic wee of humor on my profile.
The reason I am listed as "mostly vegetables" is there is not a "Fruitarian" label. About the only vegitebles I eat are watermelon, apples and pears. Not that I feel any obligation to explain myself to you. I just wanted to point that out.
You have a nice day Mr. Lizard.
HM at 08/06/2008 17:28:03
on another forum you stated a juicy piece of steak was close to heaven for you.
understand that a remark like that will get people in an animal rights forum, likely vegans, will question anything you say that may sound in opposition to what is said.
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/06/2008 17:51:41
I think you have me mis"stake"en for someone else. I think the feller that said that was the guy with the "hero" fighter that eats dogs.
Really go back and read the postings.
However HM, you do show a little of the point I was trying to make to Mr. Lizard.
" I do believe that if your fire a shot and hit the wrong target you will bring your own credibility into question. "
This was an honest mistake HM. I realize this. I am not angry at you in the least. In fact I do find it a wee humorous. Not that I am laughing at you HM. I am laughing at the situation.
I found HappyCow just today and came here in friendship. It seems I have incurred the wrath of "Vegan" instead. It does make me smile a wee. A friendly smile not a menacing smile.
Best to you HM.
HM at 08/06/2008 18:00:41
and I did get you possibly mistaken.
However your site does say "I only eat animals who eat vegetables".
To people in an Animal Rights forum, it can be quite offensive, as an educated animal rights activist or advocate has made that choice towards veganism in part or all because of the needless suffering of animals when they are raised for food.
Not here to fight... just bringing out points of interest and understanding.
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/06/2008 18:27:58
being able to laugh at one's self is healthy. It keeps me from becoming so stressed out that I don't jump to conclusions. Don't strike out in reaction and injure a friend. Humor and a happy outlook on life make me who I am. It is a choice I make.
I do not apologize for my belief in being a Fruitarian. I do not grind it into the lives of others. I do laugh often at my life choice. And do joke with non-believers about it. Through my acceptance with many who would normally scoff at my life choice I have converted more than my share to Fruitarian.
I understand an accept your point. I am not offended.
Hay, You gotta' admit though, the wrath of "Vegan" was kinda' cool. I like the ring of it. ;)
kindlizard at 08/06/2008 18:50:25
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/06/2008 19:16:40
Lizard boy. You seem to be an angry individual. Taking office where non is intended. Throwing out results to persons unknown. I have found that there are in general two things that make a person "Angry", or generally unhappy with life. Money and or morals.
So which is it with you? Do you have a gambling problem? Is your wife spending all of your money? Are you cheating on your wife? Perhaps you feel she is cheating on you. Or maybe you feel the need to come out of the closet and can not quite find the courage. What ever it is please resolve it and get on with your life. There is to much good in the world, to let it be lost in anger is not wise or prudent. There is help you know. Just ask you don't have to live your life this way.
I am not making fun of you.
Get help. Sooner not later.
kindlizard at 08/06/2008 19:43:17
would this be johnny by chance
how thoughtful and concerned
wrap yourself in the flag and (b)eat your meat
nothing to contribute and no reason for being here, whats your deal?
fwiw, i am confident and secure in my sexuality, and would see nothing wrong with being gay of that were my thing. seems you have issues with it though
you are offensive thats why, but you look elsewhere since you cant quite claim responsibility, right stig?
HM at 08/06/2008 21:09:42
I don't know that I saw any hostility or "wrath" as you say.
And I didn't see the humor.
I agree with proceeding with caution when going forward with any kind of action, from protests and rallies to call ins and even boycotting. Of COURSE it is important to know what you are doing so as not to look like fools or the T word that has been tagged onto us, as compassionate human beings.
Yes, I said compassionate.
And sometimes that compassion comes out in ways that appear angry because people just don't get it.
Do you even know how hard it is to stand outside of a circus that has been EXPOSED NUMEROUS TIMES for serious abuse, even death due to neglect, yet still goes on, and parent after parent takes their happy little spawn in, even when they acknowledge that what you are telling them is true?
It is hard.
So when someone comes into a forum, specifically another one under the same "animal rights" and defends a person's right to eat a dog (as in the other forum), it's hard to take one seriously in another.
no... I'm not angry. Pointless to put such energy towards someone I know simply as words on a screen don't you think?
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/06/2008 23:32:42
With respect we promote the reciprocation of ideas. Thus planting the seeds and giving them a chance to grow.
HM at 08/07/2008 01:09:24
JohnnySensible at 08/07/2008 04:13:32
Quasi Vegetarian - I like your style.
kindlizard - no comment for you my tortured old friend.
Now would be good time to add other options to the "label list".
Here are a few which come to mind.
HM at 08/07/2008 09:05:28
Someone who's profile says "I eat animals who eat vegetables" can't expect to be taken all that seriously, and the last comment that he isn't condoning animal cruelty signifies that he doesn't think killing an animal for food is cruel. But across the board as an animal rights advocate (in real life not just on line)that is the opposite.
I think people would just like consistency, because I'm sure you should understand that people who care enough about animals to fight for their rights and wellbeing are going to get defensive towards someone who sticks up for the rights of people to kill and eat them like anyone else, no matter what the animal. (see the post about a hero eating a dog... )
and yes, I'm hearing him clearly. thank you.
if this is a problem then delete my profile.
webmaster at 08/07/2008 08:13:32
I will work on adding more categories to describe veg status.
As for this thread, to an objective outsider it seems that KL & HM are judging QV a little harshly, projecting a story on him, and not hearing him clearly.
Also, to everyone, we would like to keep these threads "family-friendly" so please respond without being vulgar / offensive and take your arguments into Private Messaging if you can't contain yourself. Thanks.
JohnnySensible at 08/07/2008 10:06:22
HM - please do not delete your profile.
Humor is a source of difficulty / misunderstandings in Forums where there is no eye contact.
kindlizard & myself have a pretty sick relationship & we have abused each other from time to time but we fully agree on protecting animals.
kindlizard at 08/07/2008 17:17:57
Made an innocent idea public a long time ago trying to draw attention to a situation that had none. It seemed as though Vick's celebrity was going to get him out the jam and he would not be charged or connected to the crimes. I'm glad he did get connected and attention was brought to the matters, so this is a moot point. I fail to see how the creator of this site and a first-timer and a known hater can enable one another to tolerate such nonsense of encouraging dog eating and dog abuse on a vegan website. If that's where y'all want the direction to go, by all means go there. I think true animal lovers like HM and myself can network elsewhere.
HM at 08/07/2008 17:25:23
and yes, i do have a dark sense of humor, and don't always know when appropriate but maybe i'm missing the humor bit.
webmaster at 08/07/2008 18:28:14
Didn't QV state that's he's a fruitarian?
Why do you state he's "encouraging dog eating"? Did I miss something? I believe he was speaking on people's rights, on which the point was also made, just because something is legal does not mean it's right.
HM at 08/07/2008 20:24:08
Plus he says he's a fritarian... yet his profile states that he eats animals that eat vegetables. If that's a joke, I don't find it funny.
HM at 08/07/2008 20:31:00
There are many cultures in the world. The truth, in my opinion, is that he has just as much freedom to eat dog meat as someone else has to eat a cow, pig, or snake meat.
Now if he were trying to force me to eat dog meat we would have a serious disagreement to deal with. And I really don't care just how pound of pound tough he may be, he would loose that fight.
JohnnySensible at 08/08/2008 07:51:42
+The family lived in the "Ridley Circle Homes", a public housing project in a financially depressed and crime-ridden neighborhood located in the East End section of the port city, an area known in hip hop culture by the slang names "Bad News" or "Bad Newz" according to the Urban Dictionary. A 2007 newspaper article published in the Richmond Times-Dispatch noted "not much changed" by observations of local people almost ten years after Michael Vick left. One resident said that there is drug dealing, drive-by shootings and other killing in the neighborhood, and suggested that sports was a way out and a dream for many.+
Now that was a pretty bad start in life!
Going back further you find "The Virginia Company of London" in Newport News either converting Native Americans to their cruel & corrupted version of Christianity, or massacring them - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Company_of_London
Let us hope that Michael Vick makes some better life choices once he is released from jail next year.
Quasi Vegetarian at 08/08/2008 08:29:01
Thank you all. I do know you all mean well, but truly. I do also. Just hear me out.
HM at 08/08/2008 08:44:38
and I'm done.
I think the point is completely ignored (the one that if you come into and ANIMAL RIGHTS FORUM and defend any form of right to inflict abuse, condoning it or not condoning it, is still something you need realize is going to upset or even anger some activists. This you would know if you were an activist, which a forum called "animal rights" in which you have posted under at least two topics.
I know there is a difference betweening tolerating someone's right and condoning it, but for me and most every activist or animal rights advocate I KNOW... it is still FROWNED UPON.. and to defend that right of animal abuse is looked upon more of condoning than tolerating.
and that is what you did.
so either way, I'm done on this topic. And trying to help you understand what it is that was messed up, because you read over the words and ignore the original point, and post as if you have less of a clue than before.
JohnnySensible at 08/09/2008 10:59:21
Thank you for adding options such as "Herbivore" & "Fruitarian" to the Profiles pages.
How's about adding a few more?