HappyCow Discussion TopicsRestaurant Sort Order on City Page
Posted by webmaster
at 11/27/2009
Which of the following "default" sort arrangements of the City page Restaurant Listings you feel is the easiest way to read and makes most sense? (Default is the setup that every visitor sees initially, before s/he chooses to sort the page differently).
1. By Alphabetical: A to Z, then Veg-friendly (not 100% veg) (previous method)
2: By Veg Status: Vegan, then Vegetarian, then Veg-friendly (not 100% veg) (current method)
3. By Rating: from highest rating listing first
Please help us choose the most suitable "Default" setting. You can always then choose to sort the listings in the other orders you prefer.
Responses
The site pages look very good when herbivorous / vegan places appear first.
The previous method of ordering the listings was considered to be cruel to cows, chickens & other animals by many of my friends.
I was asked time & again why HappyCow promoted lacto- & ovo- places ahead of vegan ones.
I was also asked about why you included milky & eggy recipes for so many years.
The previous method of ordering the listings was considered to be cruel to cows, chickens & other animals by many of my friends.
I was asked time & again why HappyCow promoted lacto- & ovo- places ahead of vegan ones.
I was also asked about why you included milky & eggy recipes for so many years.
Anyone with 3+ functioning brain cells can find milky / eggy 'pseudo-food' in any town / village on the planet.
Vegan places tend to take locations in the back streets, in lower rent areas - they need serious help to get 'more bums on seats' - news of them spreads by word-of-mouth & sites such as HappyCow / Facebook etc.
It would be lunacy not to give them priority - cows would be unhappy!
Vegan places tend to take locations in the back streets, in lower rent areas - they need serious help to get 'more bums on seats' - news of them spreads by word-of-mouth & sites such as HappyCow / Facebook etc.
It would be lunacy not to give them priority - cows would be unhappy!
Amen!! #2!! Vegan Pride!!!
(Johnny, Jeez, where ya been?)
If you wanted you could sort within the Vegan section by rating, and so forth with the other 2 sets, but the priority ought to be Vegan cafes first!
Glad to see this as an issue for you, its been a peeve for a while. Also, food carts (I know you say there aren't a lot, but maybe its just in Ptd) should have food cart in the title/heading. And, multiple listings in a city should be reserved for at least vegetarian places (Laughing Planet in Ptd as a meat est doesn't deserve 5 or whatever listings.) Simply lump them together or link their site.
Word! Good stuff Webmaster.
(Johnny, Jeez, where ya been?)
If you wanted you could sort within the Vegan section by rating, and so forth with the other 2 sets, but the priority ought to be Vegan cafes first!
Glad to see this as an issue for you, its been a peeve for a while. Also, food carts (I know you say there aren't a lot, but maybe its just in Ptd) should have food cart in the title/heading. And, multiple listings in a city should be reserved for at least vegetarian places (Laughing Planet in Ptd as a meat est doesn't deserve 5 or whatever listings.) Simply lump them together or link their site.
Word! Good stuff Webmaster.
#1 or #2
Big mistake!'
Only 'alphabetical' is supportive of cow & chicken abuse!
Who screwed it up?
Back to #2 ASAP please!
Only 'alphabetical' is supportive of cow & chicken abuse!
Who screwed it up?
Back to #2 ASAP please!
JohnnySensible, I agree with you that vegan venues ought to be listed before vegetarian ones (which contribute to the suffering of cows and chickens).
The reason it was changed back is due to many duplicate listings being submitted since people didn't always see that a 'vegetarian' place was already listed below, or on a second page (as for cities with many listings).
We're still looking at ways to give pure vegan places priority and stand out more, but making the default other than alphabetic is confusing to most visitors.
At this time one can still select "Sort by: vegtype" from the drop down menu.
If anyone has ideas on this we'd like to hear from you.
The reason it was changed back is due to many duplicate listings being submitted since people didn't always see that a 'vegetarian' place was already listed below, or on a second page (as for cities with many listings).
We're still looking at ways to give pure vegan places priority and stand out more, but making the default other than alphabetic is confusing to most visitors.
At this time one can still select "Sort by: vegtype" from the drop down menu.
If anyone has ideas on this we'd like to hear from you.
You have made a very, very big mistake by changing this!
Add notes to the pages instead as a temporary fix & revert to listing vegan places first - today.
.....then rearrange the cities with more than one page - as we have already done for London / Hong Kong etc.
Add notes to the pages instead as a temporary fix & revert to listing vegan places first - today.
.....then rearrange the cities with more than one page - as we have already done for London / Hong Kong etc.
Second that. I think Johnny is correct. What he said.
I don't know how it works, but is it possible to match a listing when someone is submitting it? Such as, when I type in to add "Random Cafe" in Randomsville, NY it will sort of confirm w the submitter if this already listed cafe/market is the one to which they refer? Dunno if that's possible but one way to help stop the nuisance you describe webmaster.
I just did a sort by veg and think that is more of what it ought to look like. Also perhaps a favorited x times would probably help Sublime, Horizon and the like be distinguished. just a thought...
I don't know how it works, but is it possible to match a listing when someone is submitting it? Such as, when I type in to add "Random Cafe" in Randomsville, NY it will sort of confirm w the submitter if this already listed cafe/market is the one to which they refer? Dunno if that's possible but one way to help stop the nuisance you describe webmaster.
I just did a sort by veg and think that is more of what it ought to look like. Also perhaps a favorited x times would probably help Sublime, Horizon and the like be distinguished. just a thought...
The site is going to be known as 'UnHappyCow' until you fix this insanity Webmaster Eric!
Promoting cow abuse / milk consumption is exactly what the 've-gones' accuse us of .......& now they are right once again!
Promoting cow abuse / milk consumption is exactly what the 've-gones' accuse us of .......& now they are right once again!
Johnny, whats a ve-gone?
I try to use specific examples RE this issue and Portland, OR is a good city to use since it has a lot of dining opportunities.
You have a cafe w 5 listings there which is more meat-oriented though it has veg options, in Laughing PLanet (LP). It is a far cry from the other end of veg-friendly cafe in Vita cafe, a place that seems to be veggie except a few burgers (lame still I know) to offer something the other direction. I think places like LP need at most one listing, I mean, if a veggie franchise opens many places in one city, of course they should be entitled to however many listings. But I think a "veg-friendly" place ought not be entitled to the same. Perhaps just a link to their site. Believe me, having had it, it seems sketchy esp in a city w so many honestly and intentionally pure offerings.
I also think a food cart should be listed after cafes. It is misleading and harder to discern when seeking a place to eat.
It is harder for vegan ests to procure clientele. I think they deserve more support and a higher listing.
If the sole reason to not list them higher was due to some submitters confusion, that could be remedied somehow. I believe managing that outweighs the dilution that comes from the current mish-mosh.
I respect that logistics of running the site must be difficult too. You know when you type something in Excel and it comes up when you type a repeated word? Could something like that work? Could you give submitters a strike if they do that and tell them they can't submit if they repeatedly submit duplicates? Trying to help is all.
Perhaps disabling favorites for meat ests?
I'm sure if your desired intention is like Johnny's and mine, which it sounds like it is, we could all come to a solution. I wish I knew more about computers...
thanks for what you already do, I know it s a huge task.
I try to use specific examples RE this issue and Portland, OR is a good city to use since it has a lot of dining opportunities.
You have a cafe w 5 listings there which is more meat-oriented though it has veg options, in Laughing PLanet (LP). It is a far cry from the other end of veg-friendly cafe in Vita cafe, a place that seems to be veggie except a few burgers (lame still I know) to offer something the other direction. I think places like LP need at most one listing, I mean, if a veggie franchise opens many places in one city, of course they should be entitled to however many listings. But I think a "veg-friendly" place ought not be entitled to the same. Perhaps just a link to their site. Believe me, having had it, it seems sketchy esp in a city w so many honestly and intentionally pure offerings.
I also think a food cart should be listed after cafes. It is misleading and harder to discern when seeking a place to eat.
It is harder for vegan ests to procure clientele. I think they deserve more support and a higher listing.
If the sole reason to not list them higher was due to some submitters confusion, that could be remedied somehow. I believe managing that outweighs the dilution that comes from the current mish-mosh.
I respect that logistics of running the site must be difficult too. You know when you type something in Excel and it comes up when you type a repeated word? Could something like that work? Could you give submitters a strike if they do that and tell them they can't submit if they repeatedly submit duplicates? Trying to help is all.
Perhaps disabling favorites for meat ests?
I'm sure if your desired intention is like Johnny's and mine, which it sounds like it is, we could all come to a solution. I wish I knew more about computers...
thanks for what you already do, I know it s a huge task.
Interesting that it's only you two that have an opinion to share on this so far.
JS- fyi: it was already switched back long before you made your last comment. I added the sort order text right before the total restaurant count, so hopefully it stands out enough that folks notice it and understand how things work.
New ideas appreciated.
JS- fyi: it was already switched back long before you made your last comment. I added the sort order text right before the total restaurant count, so hopefully it stands out enough that folks notice it and understand how things work.
New ideas appreciated.
If you are still looking for opinions, mine is to list the vegan ones first. As a vegan, I would prefer those businesses get more visibility over others as they provide cruelty-free food. But I'm useless for a tech issues! ;-p
Sort by 1. & 2. not 3.
Good move Mr Eric.
'veg-gones' Kindlizard - they were mentioned in this Forum before - I dare not post the link - I would almost certainly be accused of going off-topic / subversion etc.! !
A clue - think back to threads discussing devilish / diabol(o)ical cheekiness & partly dressed / highly mobile uni-polar veganism - it was in the old dark days of sarcasm & censorship!
'veg-gones' Kindlizard - they were mentioned in this Forum before - I dare not post the link - I would almost certainly be accused of going off-topic / subversion etc.! !
A clue - think back to threads discussing devilish / diabol(o)ical cheekiness & partly dressed / highly mobile uni-polar veganism - it was in the old dark days of sarcasm & censorship!
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